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Cross-posted from Otherwise. Most people in EA won't find these arguments new. Apologies for leaving out animal welfare entirely for the sake of simplicity.

Last month, Emma Goldberg wrote a NYT piece contrasting effective altruism with approaches that refuse to quantify meaningful experiences. The piece indicates that effective altruism is creepily numbers-focused. Goldberg asks “what if charity shouldn’t be optimized?”

The egalitarian answer

Dylan Matthews gives a try at answering a question in the piece: “How can anyone put a numerical value on a holy space” like Notre Dame cathedral? For the $760 million spent restoring the cathedral, he estimates you could prevent 47,500 deaths from malaria.

“47,500 people is about five times the population of the town I grew up in. . . . It’s useful to imagine walking down Main Street, stopping at each table at the diner Lou’s, shaking hands with as many people as you can, and telling them, ‘I think you need to die to make a cathedral pretty.’ And then going to the next town over and doing it again, and again, until you’ve told 47,500 people why they have to die.”

Who prefers magnificence?

Goldberg’s article draws a lot on author Amy Schiller’s plea to focus charity on “magnificence” rather than effectiveness. Some causes “make people’s lives feel meaningful, radiant, sacred. Think nature conservancies, cultural centers and places of worship. These are institutions that lend life its texture and color, and not just bare bones existence.”

But US arts funding goes disproportionately to the most expensive projects, with more than half of the funding going to the most expensive 2% of projects. These are typically museums, classical music groups, and performing arts centers.

When donors prioritize giving to communities they already have ties to, the money stays in richer communities. Some areas have way more rich people than others. New York City has 119 billionaires; most African countries have none. Unsurprisingly, Schiller and Goldberg both live in New York City and not in Burundi or Bangladesh.

Schiller’s book summary actively discourages philanthropy toward public health work: “Philanthropy has to get out of the business of saving lives if we are to save humanity.”  As far as I know she doesn’t argue that poor people should just be left to die; just that governments should be in charge of that stuff, and philanthropy should aim for more beautiful things. “The money we use to build the common world communicates our belief in that world, and in all who inhabit it. It affirms the value of humanity beyond price.”

It’s hard to imagine saying that to someone whose toddler is dying because of contaminated water. “Sorry that your government wasn’t up to the job of providing basic services, and that its tax base is made up of very poor people. But please know that my support of my city’s art museums affirms the value of humanity in general.”

Inequality has its benefits

Michelangelo could do what he did because he had rich funders. A fully egalitarian Florence would have had them, and him, working on farms. A fully egalitarian world now wouldn’t have much funding available for “things whose value was hard to price: museums, libraries, parks” as Amy Schiller favors.

And I do love these things! I’m glad that Yo-Yo Ma isn’t a farmer, and that the Sagrada Familia cathedral isn’t an apartment block, and that Carnegie funded the building of my local library.

I like Sagrada Familia much more than Notre Dame. I have cathedral opinions because I’m in the small fraction of the world who had money to visit Europe; most people will never get to see either cathedral. Photo: Forbes Johnston

Is there enough for everybody to have access to the finer things?

Not currently. 

A quick estimate is that global GDP divided by the world population would be about $13,000 per person. (Of course, actually dividing up all the money in the world would also break the economy, so it would soon be less.) That’s about the GDP of El Salvador or Sri Lanka. That doesn’t leave much room for funding museums, etc.

When the UN talks about “ending extreme poverty”, it means lifting people above an income $2.15 a day[1]. A more ambitious goal might be raising everyone’s income to at least $6.85 a day, the poverty line for upper-middle income countries. Almost half the world’s people live below that level.

A world where everyone had both bread and roses would require significantly cheaper roses than the rich are accustomed to, or a higher overall world GDP. Fortunately, GDP per person has been growing for centuries.

The balance of good and bad

In the short story The Ones who Walk Away from Omelas, a beautiful and joyful city depends on the suffering of one of its citizens. Many readers feel that they couldn’t accept such an arrangement, that they’d be among those who walk away from the beautiful city. The story is based on a scenario by William James: “How hideous a thing would be its enjoyment when deliberately accepted as the fruit of such a bargain?”

Number-crunching types are more likely to say “Wait, only one person is living in torturous conditions? That’s much better than real life.”

Compare to our actual world, where more than two billion souls live in poverty. This is the world people are tacitly accepting when they fund concert halls in their own beautiful cities.

Mumbai. Photo: Piyush P. Pujari

Both sides have ugly aspects

At its worst, Schiller’s focus on magnificence turns its back on some people’s ability to live at all, so that others can have a more beautiful life.

At its worst, a fully redistributionist global health focus pushes toward a repugnant-conclusion-type world where everyone has just enough for a life that’s barely worthwhile. 

A sole focus on either of these neglects more critical needs: reducing the risk of disaster from pandemics, nuclear war, and AI. (And at its worst, existential-risk-focused effective altruism has gone too far on the crazy train and will end up working on things that don’t turn out to matter at all.)

These aren’t the only choices

Some variations on our current world that I think would be better:

  • Philanthropy would continue in many areas. But more philanthropists would spread funding beyond their cultural and geographic bubble.
  • Arts and culture funding would focus more on what’s accessible to more people:
  • People who particularly want to fund things they have a connection to would consider a variety of ways they’re connected to others. These connections could be based on location, religion, or culture, but also other things they value like self-determination, or parenthood and family. Allan Saldanha: “As a father, I think the worst thing any parent can experience is to have to watch their child suffering or god forbid, dying. My children’s lives are priceless to me and so I find the opportunity to save someone else’s child’s life for less than £2,000 a compelling proposition.”
  • People who favor markets over traditional philanthropy would be more open to funding things like the Market Shaping Accelerator or Emergent Ventures.
  • More people would fund projects that reduce the chance of AI disaster, pandemics, and nuclear war. This isn’t just for people who want to affect the distant future; it’s for people who want to reduce risk in our own lifetimes.
  • If people still want to fund more opera productions and so on, it’s their money. But nobody would be holding this up as superior to saving lives.
  • I hope we can get to a future where all, not only people born into the right circumstances, have access to both bread and roses.
  • Crying in museums
  • The magic washing machine, Hans Rosling: “Grandma was even more excited. Throughout her life, she had been heating water with firewood, and she had hand-washed laundry for seven children. And now, she was going to watch electricity do that work.”
  • How rich am I? calculator for how you compare to a median person in the world.
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    These are adjusted for the local cost of goods and services; it’s not just that things are cheaper in some countries.

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Thanks Julia for writing this. It’s correct all the way around.

I can’t help but feel though that there is something a little mean-spirited in targeting those donating to Notre Dame, the opera, etc. There is a common and (in my opinion) somewhat toxic pattern where if someone spends their money on yachts, mansions, etc., then nobody complains but as soon as they do something even a little bit public spirited then all of a sudden everyone feels free to criticize. Like, we can have plenty of objections to MacKenzie Scott’s philanthropic choices, but shouldn’t Jeff Bezos get at least as much commentary for his non-philanthropic choices?

I directionally agree with the second paragraph but there are some relevant differences in my mind. First, to the extent that a large donor chose to have their donation advertised (as opposed to remaining anonymous / confidential), they can be seen as making some implied assertions (which they may or may not be consciously intending to make!):

  • I am public-spirited / charitable / deserving of status and praise for what I did; and
  • Others who are public-spirited / charitable should consider donating as I did.

This is particularly true if they get the concert hall named after them or something. I think we need to be somewhat gentle, but I think we're entitled to get our viewpoint out on those claims. 

In contrast, I don't think anyone who spends all their money on yachts and mansions can be reasonably seen as making these kinds of assertions. The stronger response to the ineffective donor can be seen as a means of combatting these implied messages; there is little risk of anyone misunderstanding the moral value of Jeff Bezos' non-philanthropic choices.

There's also the practical reality that the tax breaks for charitable donations in the US mean that the taxpayers (including myself) -- as a functional matter -- pay for a meaningful fraction of almost any significant charitable donation to a 501(c)(3).At some point, that gives me somewhat more of an interest in criticizing what the rich donor is claiming the tax writeoff for than in what someone is buying without a subsidy from me.

Great piece! I noticed that you wrote "Goldstein" a few times.

Thanks, fixed!

Thank you for this beautiful post, Julia. Your writing always really resonates with me.

Thanks for sharing this, wonderful writing! Have you thought about sending this to Emma Goldberg? :-)

Everyone can afford roses and bread, the western world just is not ready for that because then you would actually need to pay the fair price for your garments/goods/services and everything else we do for you. 

My opinion on this is, do charity in systemic solutions, rather than providing anti-virals for malaria and that's all, help the affected regions drain their wetlands, eliminate the populations of mosquitos, help them with spraying equipment and pesticides, introduce predators etc.

Food-insecure places should get food yes, but help their agriculture as well, give them mechanization and the know-how, help them out with money. A tractor costs the same everywhere, but a farmer earning 10-15k$ per year will never afford a 20-30k$ tractor, therefore he will be stuck doing manual labor on a small field with small inputs and very underperforming outputs.

Poverty is a cycle, and to break cycles we need to do big changes in infrastructure, education and personal engagement.

Another field that is gatekept by westerners is knowledge, we really can't afford your libraries of published articles, hell I live on an income that would pay for 10 articles from Elsevier, god forbid if I have to buy everything (Thank you Alexandra Elbakyan).

I suspect many of us would directional agree with the need for structural / systemic / developmental / etc. changes to effect more durable change. But this is a movement whose human nearterm wellbeing arm has a couple hundred million per year to spend and maybe a few hundred to thousand people to utilize (depending on who counts). So the solution space does have to take account of that.

Executive summary: While both effectiveness-focused and magnificence-focused approaches to charity have flaws, the best path forward combines multiple approaches while prioritizing basic needs and existential risks, with cultural funding focused on accessibility and preservation.

Key points:

  1. Effectiveness-focused charity (like EA) prioritizes saving lives but risks creating a minimal-wellbeing world, while magnificence-focused charity often neglects basic needs of the poor.
  2. Current arts/culture funding is highly concentrated in wealthy areas - over 50% goes to the top 2% of projects, primarily benefiting already-privileged communities.
  3. Global inequality means most people can't access "finer things" - global GDP per capita is ~$13,000, and nearly half the world lives below $6.85/day.
  4. Recommended balanced approach: maintain diverse philanthropy but expand beyond local bubbles, focus cultural funding on preservation and scalable works, and increase funding for existential risks.
  5. Key crux: Whether charity should optimize for measurable impact (like preventing deaths) versus funding harder-to-quantify benefits like cultural institutions and beauty.

 

 

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Thanks for the post, Julia!

Apologies for leaving out animal welfare entirely for the sake of simplicity.

I have got you covered ;). I think criticising spending on cathedrals in high income countries because people in extreme poverty are worse off, and helping them increases impartial welfare more cost-effectively is in some tension with helping such people instead of farmed animals. I believe:

  • Farmed animals are worse off. People in extreme poverty are thought to have positive lives (otherwise, saving them would be bad for them), whereas I estimate farmed chickens and shrimp have negative lives.
  • Helping animals increases impartial welfare much more cost-effectively. I estimate cage-free campaigns are 462 times as cost-effective as GiveWell's top charities, and that the Shrimp Welfare Project (SWP) has been 64.3 k times as cost-effective as GiveWell's top charities.
  • The difference in cost-effectiveness between helping people in high income countries and extreme poverty can easily be much smaller than that between helping people in extreme poverty and animals. For example, under the typical assumption than welfare increases with the logarithm of consumption, donating to people in extreme poverty with a consumption of 1 $/d, or 365 $/year, would only be 100 times (= 36.5*10^3/365) as cost-effective as donating to someone with a consumption of 36.5 k$/year. The rations above are higher than 100.
  • It is unclear whether saving human lives is beneficial or harmful due to the meat-eating problem. I see improving the conditions of farmed animals as much more robustly beneficial.

I understand one can prioritise helping humans in extreme poverty over animals (at the margin, which is what matters for career choice and donations) by strongly rejecting impartial hedonism[1]. However, the same is true about prioritising spending on cathedrals in high income countries over helping people in extreme poverty. I suppose many of the people who are more enthusiastic about donating to rebuild or preserve the Notre Dame than to GiveWell's top charities would happily concede such charities save human lives way more cheaply. However, they still prefer supporting the Notre Dame for e.g. nationalistic, cultural, artistic or religious reasons.

  1. ^

    In my mind, the key is strongly rejecting impartiality, since animals arguably matter a lot under non-hedonistic views.

I've downvoted this because I don't think it engages with the major points or the spirit of the article.

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