The views expressed here are my own, not those of the people who provided feedback on the draft.
Summary
- According to the GPT Pain-Track from the Welfare Footprint Project (WFP), “Insecticide-treated nets (ITNs) are not only lethal to mosquitoes but also cause significant suffering before death. When mosquitoes come into contact with the insecticide, their nervous systems are disrupted, leading to intense and prolonged effects. These include uncontrolled movements, convulsions, and muscle spasms, which can last for minutes. This is followed by paralysis and eventual shutdown of their body functions. While effective at reducing disease transmission, ITNs inflict severe pain on mosquitoes during the process, making their impact far from instantaneous or painless”.
- I estimate GiveWell’s (GW’s) last grant to Against Malaria Foundation (AMF) of 41 M$ caused 763 times as much harm to mosquitoes via insecticide-treated nets (ITNs) as it benefited humans.
- I neglected the effects of ITNs on the number of wild animals because it is super unclear whether they have positive or negative lives. Yet, there is still lots of uncertainty even just in the effects I considered. Just accounting for uncertainty in mosquitoes’ capacity for welfare, I estimate the 5th and 95th percentile harm to mosquitoes caused by ITNs are 0 and 11.5 k times their benefits to humans. So it is unclear to me whether ITNs increase or decrease welfare.
- I believe the large uncertainty about the effects of human welfare interventions on wild (and farmed) animals should push one towards prioritising:
- Animal welfare interventions improving the conditions of animals instead of changing the number of animals. I recommend donating to the Shrimp Welfare Project (SWP), which I estimate has been 64.3 k times as cost-effective as GW’s top charities (neglecting their effects on animals).
- Learning more about helping invertebrates. I recommend donating to the Arthropoda Foundation and Wild Animal Initiative (WAI).
- I estimate people donating to AMF can offset the harm ITNs cause to mosquitoes pretty cheaply, donating 1.19 % as much to SWP as to AMF. This fraction is more robust than it may seem because the harm ITNs cause to mosquitoes is decently proportional to the cost-effectiveness of SWP.
- I would move any marginal donations from helping humans to helping invertebrates, so I would not donate to AMF. Nonetheless, I think directing a small fraction (10 %?) of one’s donations to helping invertebrates would be a good compromise to offset potential negative effects. I encourage people donating to animal welfare to do this too.
Context
I strongly endorse expectational total hedonistic utilitarianism (increasing happiness, and decreasing suffering), and think one can reasonably make comparisons across species based on Rethink Priorities’ (RP’s) median welfare ranges. This post explores potential implications of having these 2 views. I think the takeaways are basically the same under desire theories, as beings want to be happy, and not suffer. However, they may differ significantly if you strongly reject impartiality, or consider RP’s median welfare ranges dramatically overestimate animals’ capacity for welfare.
Harm caused to mosquitoes
Here are my calculations. I describe them below.
According to Open Philanthropy (OP), “GiveWell uses moral weights for child deaths that would be consistent with assuming 51 years of foregone life in the DALY framework [this one] (though that is not how they reach the conclusion)”. I guess 1 mosquito-year of fully healthy life is 1.3 % as good as 1 human-year of fully healthy life, which is RP’s median welfare range of black soldier flies[1]. So I think 3.92 k mosquito-years of fully healthy life are as good as the additional human welfare from saving 1 life under GW’s moral weights.
I guess disabling pain is 10 times as intense as fully healthy life, in which case 2.4 hours (= 24/10) of disabling pain neutralise 1 day of fully healthy life. Consequently, I infer that 392 mosquito-years of disabling pain neutralise the additional human welfare from saving 1 life under GW’s moral weights.
GW’s last grant to AMF of 41 M$ targeted the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), for which GW calculates a cost per distributed net and life saved of 6.78 $ and 5.10 k$. These imply AMF has to distribute 752 nets to save a life in DRC. As a result, 0.522 mosquito-years of disabling pain neutralise the benefits to humans of distributing a net in DRC.
GW calculates that nets in DRC effectively last 1.2 years. As a consequence, 0.435 mosquito-years of disabling pain neutralise the benefits to humans of 1 net-year in DRC.
I guess nets kill 1 mosquito every hour[2], or 0.0167 mosquitos per net-minute. Accordingly, 26.1 mosquito-minutes of disabling pain per mosquito killed by nets neutralise the benefits to humans of GW’s last grant to AMF.
I estimate mosquitoes’ welfare loss per mosquito killed by nets is equivalent to 19.9 k mosquito-minutes of disabling pain. I got this based on:
3 sets of estimates for the time in the 4 categories of pain defined by WFP for the 4 stages described by their GPT Pain-Track for the impact of ITNs on mosquitoes[3]:
Initial contact. “This stage starts as soon as the mosquito touches the net. The chemicals on the net begin to pass through the mosquito’s outer layer and interfere with its nerves. This leads to quick twitching or slight movements as the nerves start to malfunction”.
Toxic excitation. “In this phase, the mosquito starts moving uncontrollably. It may flap its wings excessively or shake as the chemicals overwhelm its nervous system. This stage is intense and chaotic, as the mosquito's body reacts to the disruption”.
Paralysis onset. “The mosquito’s movements slow down as its muscles stop working properly. It becomes unable to fly or move, eventually becoming still. This phase is marked by a gradual loss of control over its body”.
Pre-mortem decline. “In this final stage, the mosquito becomes completely still as its body shuts down. Its muscles and nerves stop working entirely, and it is on the brink of death. The length of this phase depends on how much chemical it absorbed”.
Aggregating the 3 sets of estimates with the geometric mean, as I guess each component estimate of the time in pain follows a lognormal distribution[4].
- My guesses that:
- Annoying pain is 1 % (= 0.1/10) as intense as disabling pain.
- Hurtful pain is 10 % (= 1/10) as intense as disabling pain.
- Excruciating pain is 10 k (= 100*10^3/10) times as intense as disabling pain. This leads to roughly 100 % of the welfare loss being caused by excruciating pain. So, if one thinks excruciating pain is, for example, 10 % as intense as I supposed, the welfare loss will be 10 % as large.
I conclude GW’s last grant to AMF of 41 M$ caused 763 times as much harm to mosquitoes via ITNs as it benefited humans. Here are a few ways of the harm caused to mosquitoes via ITNs to be as large as the benefits to humans:
- Excruciating pain 0.131 % (= 1/763) as intense (assuming this only negligibly increases the benefits to humans).
- If so, I would guess excruciating pain to be 131 (= 0.00131*100*10^3) times as intense as a practically maximally happy life.
- As a result, 11.0 min (= 24*60/131) of excruciating pain would neutralise 1 day of a practically maximally happy life. In other words, it would be hedonically neutral to have a practically maximally happy life plus 11.0 min every day of “scalding and severe burning events [in large parts of the body]”, or “dismemberment, or extreme torture”. I would consider this life hedonically very bad.
- Mosquitoes’ capacity for welfare 0.131 % as high (relative to humans).
- RP’s median welfare range of black soldier flies is 3.92 % (= 0.013/0.332) their median welfare range of chickens. So the above update corresponds to 2.05 (= ln(0.00131)/ln(0.0392)) updates relatively as large as going from chickens to black soldier flies.
- Excruciating pain 3.62 % (= 0.00131^(1/2)) as intense, and mosquitoes’ capacity for welfare 3.62 % as high.
- If so, I would guess excruciating pain to be 3.62 k (= 0.0362*100*10^3) times as intense as a practically maximally happy life, and estimate 1 day of this would be neutralised with 23.9 s (= 24*60^2/(3.62*10^3)) of excruciating pain.
- The update on the capacity for welfare corresponds to 1.02 (= ln(0.0362)/ln(0.0392)) updates relatively as large as going from chickens to black soldier flies.
Discussion
It would be great if there were ITNs which painlessly kill mosquitoes, but it looks like there are not any. According to Claude:
- Insecticide-treated nets (ITNs) work through chemicals that affect mosquitoes’ nervous systems, leading to either:
- Rapid knockdown and death
- Repellent effects that deter contact
- All current effective ITN insecticides (pyrethroids, chlorfenapyr, etc.) work by disrupting neural function, which would cause distress to the mosquito's nervous system before death.
- Non-toxic alternatives like physical barriers or natural repellents either:
- Don’t achieve the same efficacy in preventing malaria
- Still cause distress through sensory irritation
I neglected the effects of ITNs on the number of wild animals because it is super unclear whether they have positive or negative lives. Yet, there is still lots of uncertainty even just in the effects I considered. RP’s 5th and 95th percentile welfare ranges of black soldier flies are 0 and 15.1 (= 0.196/0.013) times their median. This suggests that, even ignoring effects on the number of wild animals, and just accounting for uncertainty in mosquitoes’ capacity for welfare, the 5th and 95th percentile harm to mosquitoes caused by ITNs are 0 and 11.5 k (= 15.1*763) times their benefits to humans. So it is unclear to me whether ITNs increase or decrease welfare.
I believe the large uncertainty about the effects of human welfare interventions on wild (and farmed) animals should push one towards prioritising:
- Animal welfare interventions improving the conditions of animals instead of decreasing the number of animals with negative lives, or increasing the number of animals with positive lives. I recommend donating to the Shrimp Welfare Project (SWP), which I estimate has been 64.3 k times as cost-effective as GW’s top charities (neglecting their effects on animals).
- Learning more about helping invertebrates, whose total capacity for welfare vastly exceeds that of vertebrates. I recommend donating to (I ordered the organisations alphabetically):
- The Arthropoda Foundation. Their research priorities are humane slaughter protocols, stocking densities and substrate research, and automated welfare assessment.
- The Wild Animal Initiative (WAI). For instance:
- They intend “to use current and new funding” for, among other activities, “Conducting an analysis of agricultural pest control to better understand the best targets for welfare interventions — first identifying scientific gaps and then developing research plans to help fill them”.
- I estimate paying farmers to use more humane pesticides to decrease the suffering of wild insects is 23.7 k times as cost-effective as GW’s top charities.
No one from the animal welfare organisations I mentioned above reviewed the draft of this post. As always unless stated otherwise, I am speaking for myself.
I strongly endorse maximising expected welfare. Nevertheless, I think donating to the above organisations is even better if one intrinsically cares about minimising the probability of causing harm.
I estimate people donating to AMF can offset the harm ITNs cause to mosquitoes pretty cheaply, donating 1.19 % (= 763/(64.3*10^3)) as much to SWP as to AMF. This fraction is more robust than it may seem because the harm ITNs cause to mosquitoes is decently proportional to the cost-effectiveness of SWP[5]. Under my views:
Both are practically proportional to the intensity of excruciating pain[6], so uncertainty in this has a negligible effect on the fraction.
- Mosquitoes’ capacity for welfare is decently proportional to that of shrimp, as RP’s median welfare ranges of black soldier flies and shrimp were determined with the same methodology.
I would move any marginal donations from helping humans to helping invertebrates, so I would not donate to AMF. Nonetheless, I think directing a small fraction (10 %?) of one’s donations to helping invertebrates would be a good compromise to offset potential negative effects. I encourage people donating to animal welfare to do this too. Decreasing the consumption of animal-based foods, especially beef, has major effects on wild animals, and improving animals’ conditions can indirectly change their consumption too, although arguably much less. On the impact of human diet on animal welfare, Michael St. Jules suggested Matheny (2005), this and these posts from Brian Tomasik, this post from Carl Shulman, and Fischer (2018). There is also the sequence Human impacts on animals created by Michael.
Acknowledgements
Thanks to CB for the comment which motivated me to make this post. Thanks to Abraham Rowe, CB, and Michael St. Jules for feedback on the draft[7].
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Mosquitoes belong to the order Diptera, and black soldier flies are the only species analysed by RP of that order. I asked Bob Fischer, who led RP’s moral weight project, about a best guess for the median welfare range of mosquitoes that RP would have obtained if they had analysed them. I privately disclaimed I would publish this post without Bob’s guess, but Bob did not share one.
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I did not easily find estimates.
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The quotes describing the 4 stages are from the chat where I got the 1st set of estimates.
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Aggregating with the continuous version of the geometric mean of odds lognormal distributions whose logarithms have the same standard deviation results in a distribution whose mean is equal to the geometric mean of the means of the lognormal distributions.
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If they were proportional, the fraction would be constant regardless of their uncertainty.
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I ordered the names alphabetically.
TL;DR
I think you are probably at least a few OOMs off with these figures, even granting most of your assumptions, as this implies (iiuc) 3~77 million mosquito deaths per human death, and 22~616 billion mosquito deaths in DRC as a result of the GW grant.
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A quick sense check using your assumptions and numbers (I typed this up quickly so might have screwed up the maths somewhere!)
When you say:
"1 day of [a practically maximally happy life] would be neutralised with 23.9s of excruciating pain.
and
"As a result, 11.0 min of excruciating pain would neutralise 1 day of a practically maximally happy life"
I'm assuming you mean "23.9 mosquito seconds of excruciating pain" and "11.0 mosquito minutes of excruciating pain" trading off against 1 human day of a practically maximlly happy life (please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you!)
At 763 times as much harm to mosquitos to humans, ~50 DALYs per life saved, and 11min (or 23.9 seconds) of mosquito excruciating pain (MEP), this implies you are suggesting bednets are causing something like 333 million ~ 9.2 billion seconds of MEP per human death averted.[1]
Using your figures of 2 minutes of excruciating pain per mosquito killed this gives a range of 3million~77 million mosquito deaths per human death averted in order for your 763x claim to be correct.[2]
Using your stated figures of $41 million and $5100 per life for the GW grant, this implies you think the grant will lead to somewhere between 22~616 billion mosquito deaths in DRC alone.[3]
For context, this source estimates global mosquito population as between 110 trillion and 'in the quadrillions'.
150*365.25*11*60*763 = 9,196,629,750
50*365.25*23.9*763 = 333,029,471.25
333029471 / 120 = 2,775,245.59
9196629750 / 120 = 76,638,581.25
41 million / 5100 * 2,775,245.59 = 22,310,797,880.4
41 million / 5100 * 76,638,581.25 = 616,114,084,559
Thanks for the comment, bruce. I strongly upvoted it (and disagreed).
You are misunderstanding me. I mean that, if excruciating pain was 3.62 % (= 0.00131^(1/2)) as intense as I assumed, I would guess 23.9 s of excruciating pain in a given species (humans, of mosquitoes, or other) would neutralise 1 day of a practically maximally happy life in that same species.
I estimate GW's last grant to AMF will kill 0.0183 % as many mosquitoes as the ones currently alive globally over the lifetime of the bednets it funds. This would correspond to killing 1.19 % (= 1.83*10^-4*195/3) of the mosquitoes in DRC per year assuming mosquitoes were uniformly distributed across the existing 195 countries, and that the nets funded by the grant are distributed over 3 years. In reality, it would be less because DRC should have more mosquitoes than a random country. AMF being responsible for killing less than 1.19 % of the mosquitoes in DRC does not sound implausible.
Gotcha RE: 23.9secs / 11mins, thanks for the clarification!
Looking at this figure you are trading off 7910000 * 2 minutes of MEP for a human death averted, which is 15820000 minutes, which is ~30 mosquito years[1] of excruciating pain trading off for 50 human years of a practically maximally happy life.
Is this a correct representation of your views?
(Btw just flagging that I think I edited my comment as you were responding to it RE: 1.3~37 trillion figures, I realised I divided by 2 instead of by 120 (minutes instead of seconds).)
7910000 * 2 / 60 / 24 / 365.25 = 30.08
"I think 3.92 k mosquito-years of fully healthy life are as good as the additional human welfare from saving 1 life under GW’s moral weights", and I guess excruciating pain is 100 k times as intense as fully healthy life, so I estimate 14.3 mosquito-days (= 3.92*10^3/(100*10^3)*365.25) of excruciating pain neutralise the benefits of the additional human welfare from saving 1 life under GW’s moral weights. I understand that may seem very little time, but I do not think it can be dismissed just on the basis of seeming surprising. I would say one should focus on checking whether the results mechanistically follow from the inputs, and criticing these:
Makes sense - just to clarify:
My previous (mis)interpretation of you suggesting 11minutes of MEP trading off 1 day of fully healthy human life would indicate a tradeoff of 11 / (24*60) = 0.0076.
Your clarification is that 14.3 mosquito-days trades off against 1 life:
assuming 1 life as 50 DALYs this is 14.3 / (50*365.25) = 0.00078
So it seems like my misinterpretation was ~10x overvaluing the human side compared to your true view?
My view is probably something like:
"I think on the margin most people should be more willing to entertain radical seeming ideas rather than intuitions given unknown unknowns about moral catastrophes we might be contributing to, but I also think the implicit claim[1] I'm happy to back here is that if your BOTEC spits out a result of "14.3 mosquito days of excruciating pain trades off with 50 human years of fully healthy life" then I do expect on priors that some combination of your inputs / assumptions / interpretation of the evidence etc have lead to a result that is likely many factors (if not OOMs) off the true value (if we magically found out what it was (and I think such a surprising result should also prompt similar kinds of thoughts on your end!)). I'll admit I don't have a strong sense of how to draw a hard line here, but I can imagine for this specific case that I might expect the tradeoff for humans is closer to 3.5 hours of excruciating pain vs a life, and that I value / expect the human capacity for welfare to be >100x that of a mosquito. If you believe both of those to be true then you'd reject your conclusion.
Another thing to consider might be something like "the way you count/value excruciating pain in humans vs in animals is inconsistent in a way that systematically gives results in favour of animals"
I don't have too much to offer here in terms of this - I just wanted to know what the implied trade-off actually was and have it spelled out.
Referring only to this specific example, not necessarily other posts of yours I've commented on
If I'm understanding your calculations correctly, the underlying assumption is that the pain you estimate a mosquito to experience for two minutes has the same weight as an entire afternoon of incomparably blissful human existence even taking into account the cognitive differences between a human and a mosquito? There doesn't appear to be an obviously correct way to weight the relative intensity of experience of a human and a mosquito, but this one seems like an outlier; typically arguments for considering insect suffering depend on them being more numerous rather than their individual suffering being orders of magnitude more intense than human enjoyment. In all seriousness, if you do attach such high weights to the possible suffering of individual insects, I highly recommend nontoxic spider repellent, especially around your light fittings as an extremely cost effective intervention.
Some of your more quantifiable estimates also seem selected to be particularly unfavourable to humans. For example, the robustly established fact that humans experience days of pain from malaria infections, (including the vast majority of malaria infections which are nonfatal) is disregarded. Medical literature evaluating anti-malaria interventions often focuses on mortality rather than morbidity too, but it's not weighing up human DALYs against a few minutes of mosquito morbidity! Likewise, the assumption that a typical ITN is killing an average of 24 mosquitos per day seems to depend on an inflated number mosquitos per dwelling, even before the mild repellent effect and low killing efficiency of fleeting contact with the nets is considered.
Thanks, David.
Which 2 min of pain in mosquitoes are you referring to? "I infer that 392 mosquito-years of disabling pain neutralise the additional human welfare from saving 1 life under GW’s moral weights".
I do not kill mosquitoes or other insects inside my house, but I guess quickly crushing insects causes them much less pain than ITNs. "I estimate mosquitoes’ welfare loss per mosquito killed by nets is equivalent to 19.9 k mosquito-minutes of disabling pain".
I kill insects by driving, but I think this is fine. Firstly, the deaths are hopefully pretty quick. Secondly, driving saves me time, and I believe most of my impact comes from my work and donations, not from my direct impact on animals via my diet or driving. I calculate neutralising the harms caused to poultry birds and farmed aquatic animals per person in 2022 only requires donating 0.0214 $ to SWP. I guess my potentially negative direct impact on wild animals can also be neutralised with very little donations.
I used GW's estimate of 5.10 k$ per life saved by AMF in DRC, which is supposed to account for effects on mortality, morbidity, and income. GW's estimate may well not be perfect, but I think the uncertainty is the cost to save a life is negligible in comparison with that of other parameters like the welfare range of mosquitoes.
I wish I had a better estimate, but I did not easily find one. My assumption was somewhat informed by a trip I did to Moshi (Tanzania) in early 2020. There were certainly more than 1 mosquito bitting me per hour during dust, and I was using repellent if I recall correctly.
The 2 minutes corresponds to the estimated 119 seconds of estimated excruciating pain per mosquito death in the aggregate estimate in your spreadsheet, comprising nearly all the estimated utility loss.
It was less about your personal footprint and more about the spiders. I once lived in a place by a river an enormous quantity of insects were attracted by any sort of light bulb, which was where the spiders liked to dine out (unless they were deterred with peppermint spray or their cobwebs repeatedly swept away). A web full of wriggling flies wasn't a particularly attractive sight, but I'm disinclined to believe that web was experiencing utility loss far more significant than anything going on in my life[1] But since you are arguing a few minutes of a single insect ingesting a neurotoxin may be of extremely high negative value, keeping spiders away from insects using cheap peppermint spray seems like an highly net positive form of harm reduction worth considering?
Outdoors at dusk is peak mosquito time though, and 2-3 mosquitos are capable of a lot of bites. I would imagine you had access to some sort of treated nets, and didn't have have to clean 20 or 30 dead mosquitos off the floor every day?
I'd have a particularly hard time believing insects had evolved a complex and intense appreciation of neurological pain whilst far more useful traits like navigation were as simplistic and mechanistic as repeatedly flying into a light source...
Thanks for clarifying. For my guess that excruciating pain is 100 k (= 10*10^3/0.1) times as intense as fully healthy life, the 119 mosquito-seconds of excruciating pain per mosquito killed by ITNs neutralise 138 mosquito-days (= 119/60^2/24*100*10^3) of fully healthy life, or 1.79 human-days (= 138*0.013) of fully healthy life based on RP's median welfare range of black soldier flies.
Got it. I estimate paying farmers to use more humane pesticides to decrease the suffering of wild insects helps 5.74 M insects per $. So, valuing my time at 20 $/h, I would have to save 115 M insects per hour (= 5.74*10^6*20) to be similarly cost-effective. One can support research on more humane pesticides by donating to WAI. They intend “to use current and new funding” for, among other activities, “Conducting an analysis of agricultural pest control to better understand the best targets for welfare interventions — first identifying scientific gaps and then developing research plans to help fill them”.
There were certainly more than 1 different mosquito per hour too. I was indeed outdoors at dusk, which is peak mosquito time, so I used a value corresponding to much less mosquitoes than what I seem to recall. In any case, my takeaways would be the same if the number of mosquitoes killed per net was e.g. 10 % as high. This would correspond to only 2.4 mosquitoes (= 0.1*24) killed per net-day, but still result in AMF causing 76.3 (= 0.1*763) times as much harm to mosquitoes via ITNs as it benefits humans. With large uncertainty, such that it would still be "unclear to me whether ITNs increase or decrease welfare".
(A nitpick responding to just one point and not the whole post)
I feel a bit wary of using SWP as your default example here because this comment from @Aaron Boddy🔸 makes me think that SWP doesn't have a ton of room for rapidly deploying more funding right now -- I'd expect further donations to have lower marginal ROI than directly buying more stunners which I /expect/ is what you're assuming in the counterfactual (which is not a dig at SWP, seems fine for them to use extra donations for lower marginal ROI things if their top priority tickets are comfortably funded!)
A broader point: I'd expect the marginal ROI of additional funding in the invertebrate welfare space to diminish much faster than the marginal ROI of AMF donations.
Thanks, Angelina.
Aaron said SWP's room for more funding in 2025 was "Something in the ballpark of a few hundred thousand dollars". I guess my post will influence much less than this, but I would also be happy with supporting SWP in subsequent years. SWP's marginal cost-effectiveness would ideally be the same across time. If that was not the case, SWP should move funds from the worst to the best years until the marginal cost-effectiveness is the same across years. I think this is hard to achieve over long time horizons, but I assume their marginal cost-effectivenes is 2025 will not be too different from that in 2026.
I also see Arthropoda Foundation and WAI as great donation options.
I tend to agree, because there is much more funding going towards AMF. On the other hand, donating to organisations doing research on invertebrate welfare like Arthropoda and WAI can open up more funding opportunities in the space. In any case, donating to invertebrate welfare seems way more cost-effective as of now. I do not even know whether donating to AMF is beneficial or harmful.
Thanks for writing this.
This is an important consideration that almost nobody has talked about (hence my comment that flagged the topic).
Despite the uncertainty, this might well change completely the expected value of bednets, if they are not accompanied with some actions such as donations to offset the negative effects.
I've heard people talk about it quite a lot, usually as a joke
Perhaps I’m misunderstanding something, so please correct me if I’m wrong:
If one accepts all these assumptions, why would the best course of action be to offset AMF donations rather than to avoid donating to AMF in the first place?
If ITNs cause vastly more harm to mosquitoes than they help humans, wouldn’t this imply that AMF is not just a weak investment, but actually a net-negative intervention? It seems like these numbers, if taken seriously, suggest AMF should be deprioritized rather than merely balanced with shrimp welfare donations.
I assume that this is mostly about hedging against uncertainty under diff moral theories, but it seems like making this tradeoff of offset compared to counterfactual more money to AMF implies a certain tradeoff that you're okay with such that you should never make the initial investment.
I'm confused about what sorta epistemic/ moral uncertainty theory someone would need to be offsetting the way you propose. Tbh I've already confused myself with this comment, but I hope it's helpful(?)
Thanks for the comment, Noah.
Sorry for the confusion. By "I would move any marginal donations from helping humans to helping invertebrates", I meant I would not donate to AMF. I have now clarified this in the post. "Nonetheless, I think directing a small fraction (10 %?) of one’s donations to helping invertebrates would be a good compromise to offset potential negative effects", even if I think donating just to SWP, WAI or Arthropoda Foundation would be better.
I do not know whether AMF is beneficial or harmful. My mainline numbers suggest it is harmful, but there is lots of uncertainty, and I have not covered all the relevant effects.
I have not thought about this. I just think some people are drawn to offseting, and that donating to animal and human welfare is better than just to human welfare (although I also believe that donating just to animal welfare would be even better).
Thanks for writing this! I've wondered this and would be interested in seeing something similar for screwworms as well, if you ever get around to estimating that.
I'm also curious to know why you chose the same median welfare range as black soldier flies. Is this just the best guess you had, or is there a reason that mosquitoes would have similar experiences to them?
Thanks for the comment too, Nithin.
I did some quick calculations about this which suggest it is unclear whether eradicating screwworms is beneficial or harmful. If they have positive lives, I think the decrease in welfare caused by them not existing may well outweight the increase in welfare of the animals which would no longer be infected by them.
Thanks, @Nithin Ravi[1]. I have added the following to the post.
I tried to get a better estimate, but without success.
I am tagging you because I am expanding the comment starting with this sentence.