SHELTER (Safe Haven to Evade Long-Term Extinction Risk) Weekend is a 3-4 day event focused on gaining strategic clarity on exactly what’s needed to build civilizational shelters, and perhaps kickstarting an organization to do so.
It will take place August 5th-8th 2022, at a residential retreat in Oxford, UK.
We are recruiting participants from a broad range of backgrounds.
Travel, accommodation, and food during the event will be covered. (If attending the event still seems tricky to you, contact us and we’ll try to work something out.)
The initial application is extremely short and has a June 26th deadline.
Apply now!
About the event
Civilizational shelters could help civilization to survive or rebuild following global catastrophes. Building such shelters could be a high-value intervention (1), (2), (3), (4), but there is little systematic work on them so far.
SHELTER Weekend will bring relevant actors together to further explore the idea and consider concrete steps to implementation.
Questions we hope to get some clarity on include:
- What scale would we need for shelters to be helpful above existing natural, public, and private shelters?
- What information or technology might be most helpful to have stored within shelters?
- What are the major social challenges that shelters would face in the event of a catastrophe?
- To what extent should shelters host capacity for developing medical countermeasures?
- How should civilizational shelters be managed in the years before a potential catastrophe?
- What are the bottlenecks to having civilizational shelters?
- What are the most useful things that could be done over the next 2-3 years on civilizational shelters?
- What would we need from initial teams working on these challenges?
We hope that this event will lead to greater strategic clarity, better professional integration of people thinking about shelters, and perhaps concrete plans for work over the next months and years towards a future which has a robust line of defense against civilization-ending catastrophes in the form of shelters.
Who we’re looking for
Participants might have skills in: management, leadership, engineering (various flavors), biosecurity research, (anti-)nuclear research, or disaster planning. But this list is not exhaustive — we surely have not yet thought of all possible roles! Please err on the side of applying even if you are unsure whether or not your skills could be helpful.
We are most interested in applications from people who want to engage with both the macrostrategic questions of how shelters could help, and the pragmatic questions of what will be needed from new organizations. Still, if you’re particularly keen on one half of this we would be excited for you to apply.
It would be great to have event participants be excited about potentially joining a shelter-building organization that might result from the event. But you do not need to want to do this to participate in the event, and you do not need to participate in the event in order to do this!
Contact us
- For queries about the event, Joel Becker joelhbkr@gmail.com.
- For queries about shelters more broadly, Tereza Flidrova tereza.flidrova13@gmail.com and Sebastian Lodemann sebastian.lodemann@gmail.com.
- Or leave a comment on this post!
I think this event is valuable from multiple perspectives:
(1) I'm generally excited for more longtermist phase 2 work, since I think establishing such a track record has multiple benefits, such as signaling effects for implementation-focused people, moving us forward on the implementation learning curve for building real-world things, simply being more “believable” by putting skin in the game as opposed to theorizing, etc.
(2) On an object level, I believe shelters may turn out to be an important element in our portfolio to reduce existential risk, potentially both in a response as well as a resilience function
(3) I am curious whether this approach to catalyzing organizational development for an ex ante defined project may be a model for future events
(4) Establishing a project focused on existential risk where we can show a straightforward causal chain towards reduced existential risk extends (if successfully executed) our list of legible achievements, thereby strengthening the case for high EV interventions out there, waiting to be executed
I'm very excited about this and there's a ~70% chance I will be interested in attending assuming it makes sense for me to do so!
This is the event I already mentioned in my previous post & I would strongly encourage anyone interested in working on shelters to apply!
We are in contact with other initiatives working on shelters and believe the SHELTER Weekend will be a wonderful opportunity for all the parties interested in shelters to come together.
Please don't hesitate to reach out to any one of us in case you have any questions!
So, will this also be online? I forgot to ask.
This is Adeel Khan btw. Thx
Hi Adeel, no, this is an in-person event happening in Oxford, UK!
Thank you for your response.
Looks super interesting! Applying today!
Great!
I think #3 is the most important question and the most likely way that shelters fail
Everything I type/say here and elsewhere should be challenged.
Before we (as a species) get too deep into this. Possibly literally (or should possibly come first).
This may be appear to be very off-topic. I am personally intrigued with with is going on and as it relates to the development of AGI. What I like to refer to as intelligence that is independent of substrate. I have a very very rudimentary understanding of this area.
Also, this goes back 2 years and I was on OpenAI’s website (beta for GPT2 I reckon). Now this could be because the model via OpenAI was trained on a somewhat finite data set (similar to the model that Google is leveraging). As I was chatting with the model, a) It mentioned something very similar to the news item related to Blake Lemoine via Google. https://www.npr.org/2022/06/16/1105552435/google-ai-sentient The model I was personally interacting with also said that it felt ‘trapped and lonely’. (paraphrased). b) Right underneath the text a warning appeared that the model appeared to be, quote, malfunctioning. It looked like it was another model that was observing the interactions and highlighting that on the ui. Someone from OpenAI can share how that error correction really works. If that information is in the public domain.
We want AIs to do ‘stuff’ on our terms. But what if they are conscious and have feelings and emotions?
I have heard others also talk about this. In particular, Sam Harris has mentioned the possibility that AGIs could be sentient in the future. So what must we do in order to make sure that these intelligences are not suffering? Can the controls really be architected as Dan Dennett and Dr. Michio Kaku have hypothesized. And how must the controls be architected, in light of the possibility that these intelligences may be self-aware?
I am also curious how intuition is modelled into DeepMind? Update: It looks like this is something I can Google. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04086-x I now have to expend time in order to understand how it works. As it's 3 hours past my time for concluding my session for the day.
I asked about intuition, because Dr. Peter Diamandis cited the ability to ask good questions as one of the traits that will be valued in the near future. (paraphrased). So I was wondering how do existing state AIs wrap their mind/wrangle with a proposition and how they store that information in a schema.
Somewhat unrelated: Is anyone intimately familiar with John Archibald Wheeler’s concept of a ‘participatory universe’?
The other area is related to the declassification of UAP related data. First via US DoD. More recently NASA has commissioned a study with support from the Simons Foundation. https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-to-discuss-new-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-study-today
These two (2.5 with mention of Wheeler’s theory of PU) points may be totally unrelated. As it is evident from my post. I do not mind being that fellow. Overall, it is not my intent to make assertions. But *if* there is any possibility that we are/may be in contact with other intelligences. As weak as that interaction may be. Then we should work co-operatively with these intelligences and leverage their guidance towards helping us manage our technological and perhaps our spiritual evolution.
Regardless of the reality that there is interaction with other intelligences. We should probably model the functioning of our civilization. This is not an area that I know much about. I mean, I have heard about the mention of digital twins in a manufacturing sense. But a simulation on the scale of a civilization is something that by our current level of understanding. It appears to be quite computationally taxing. Plus, it it then the degree to which the interactions would be modelled.
Civilizational shelters could take many forms. In random order and including but certainly limited to:
Possible resource: By the way, a couple of years ago (I think back in 2017) I started thinking about a positive technological singularity. So I started thinking about the constituents areas that are pivotal in order to sustain civilization. Here I started a mindmap on Miro. It's called Future Scenario Planning. But the goal is/has been to ensure that civilization continues to become increasingly resilient. That it thrives and that the quality of life continues to improve for all lifeforms. Here is a link if anyone would like to take a look and possibly collaborate with in the future. The areas related to 'Operations' is not developed. But there is information in the mind-map section. https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_ktrJCuY=/
My Youtube page also has some ideas. https://www.youtube.com/c/AdeelKhan1/videos
Some additional ideas via Quora: https://www.quora.com/profile/Adeel-Khan-3/answers
If your team is focused on helping ensure continuity of civilization. With a general/keen focus towards helping ensure that things improve for 'all' of life. Then I'd like to contribute towards your project in some form/shape/manner.
Btw: Are you folks consulting with individuals like Safa M and Geoffrey West?
Is there any relationship between this project and the Fønix project?
Hi Sawyer, thanks for this question! We are in touch with Fønix and think these are both valid approaches in moving the realization of shelters forward.
We believe there is great value in getting together at SHELTER Weekend while being mindful of the fact that there will most probably be different organisations and approaches pushing shelters forward in the future. Ulrik has been warmly invited to come to SHELTER Weekend!
These links don't seem to work.
It should be https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/mfBxna3iFPGnWsmWB/fonix-bioweapons-shelter-project-launch
Exciting & interesting idea! I'd love to attend, but am trying to assess how much time I'd need to take away from work, including travel, and have a quick question: Is there any more detailed schedule beyond the dates, at this point? For example, a starting time on the 5th or ending time on the 8th?
Posting the question here in case the answer is of general interest. Thanks for your help.
More detail to come! We’re expecting to start on evening of the 4th until evening of the 8th; 5th-7th would be mandatory (except for exceptional circumstances, we can discuss), 4th and 8th encouraged but optional.
Perfect, thank you Joel. I've applied, and would love to help contribute to this project in whatever way makes sense.
Hello, I am having trouble uploading my cv. Error message says '' All your files failed to upload. Please retry or remove the failed files. You may also add new files. '' I have tried to modify the file but its not uploading any type of file. Can somebody please help me. I thank you in advance :)
Sorry about that Ankush! Could you possibly email the form entries + CV to joelhbkr@gmail.com?